Parity Gender Politics Dicussion, vol. 3

This is an interesting analysis. What happens when you breakdown these percentages by players who traditionally handle vs those who don't. Those who handle are more likely to cut as bail or cut from mid field and get more touches per game. This means that if there are more female handlers than male handlers in the league, the breakdown will be skewed towards more women being thrown to or vice versa. Essentially, handlers get more touches. So more handlers of one gender could show that there are more of that gender being thrown to but maybe not by choice. It may just be that the handler is getting the disc and not the gender.  Are these stats really measuring what we think they're measuring?  Also, Keates clearly has a different job than I do. I'm considering quitting my job just so I can keep up with the forum.  

Nice job Chris. Both you and Richard point out it's hard to separate signal from noise with these numbers. There are lots of reasons to expect not 50% and lots of reasons for variance from team to team and player to player, but as a publicity whore, I just like to see my name in print even if it says I lean slightly toward a preference for men (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Interesting stat- posts on the gender blog skew 3-0 for men, yet only 11-2 for posts about Dune. Discuss.

The most common complaint I hear from women players is how long it takes for people to give them credit for their range of throws. I'm going deep next week every time Nina, Stacey, Wynne, or Aleks have the disc (until I get tired).

You can't normalize by multiplying by 4/5 for women and 3/2 for men since you are looking at total over long periods. What happens is that as the number of attempts get larger and larger (tend towards inifinity), the number of passes from one gender to another will approach their mathematically predicted ratios (which are Male -> Male 3/5, Male -> Female 2/5; Female -> Male 4/5, Female -> Male 1/5)

The statistics do the multiplication for you. There's no need to normalize.

Interestingly, this is what we observe for women, but not men. In fact, we see a higher proporation of passing going from male to female players than we would expect from random chance, suggesting that men are indeed looking to the women on the field.

EDIT: I wrote the above late last night and made a mistake. If men were throwing to players regardless of gender you would expect to see a 60/40 split. Instead we observe 66/33 meaning that men are indeed more likely to throw to another male player

I think Keates made a few systematic errors in his analysis. In looking at his data, the following people throw the disc with no discernable evidence of gender discrimination (minimum 30 passes):

Laura Chambers Storey

Graham Brown

Chris Sullivan

Heather McCabe*

Nick Theriault*

Simon Berry*

Nick Vetvut

Trevor Stocki

Ryan Mussell

Additionally, Heather, Nick, and Simon throw the mathematically predicted amount to men and women (20% of passes from Laura go to women, 40% of passes from Nick and Simon go to women)

as a math teacher I am prepared to give you both a B and advance you to the next grade...

unless you complain, in which case I will give you an A so that your parents don't bother me

if Alex responds to ChrisK by saying 'it's not what you said, it's how you said it', I'll throw in 20$ for couples counselling

#pedagogy101  #recognizeth

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